Your next film stars Saif.
No, before that there's a film with John Abraham. Then there's Agent Vinod with Saif which my brother Sridhar Raghavan is co-writing with me. If people find the title funny the very first scene will dispel their amusement. Because it's a spy thriller in a very realistic mould.
It's not one of those fantasy espionage thriller...not like 'Call Agent Vinod' and we cut to Saif in bed...nothing like that. It's not James Bond...more in the mood of the Frederick Forsythe than James Hadley Chase.
It's strangely corny title.
Saif liked the title Agent Vinod, and so did I. A lot of people had told me Johnny Gaddaar sounded like a B-grade thriller. But even a hardcore commercial producer like Keshu Ramsay liked it. Agent Vinod will be made in the middle of 2008.
In Johnny Gaddaar you've made amazingly skilled use of songs from the 1960s and 1970s.
Yes, in fact the influence of the Hindi films from that era is very strong on me. I grew up on them. I still remember the snazzy credit titles for Ravi Nagaich's The Train. I've used that style in the credits of Johnny Gaddaar.Songs like Rama rama ghazab and Backe kahan jaoge fitted in very well with the narrative.
And these were the songs and films I grew up with. My editor Pooja Surti helped me pick those songs. She has even sung Mora gora ang lai le from Bandini. I wanted to put Bachke kahan jaoge in my cd. It's from Yakeen where Dharamji played a negative role. But the copyright were too expensive.
There's so many influences in Johnny Gaddaar...
I had the script with me from before my first film Ek Hasina Thi. I wanted to make it with unknown actors. But I didn't get a producer. I met my leading man Neil Mukesh Mathur in Jhamu Sugandh's office. He has a common secretary with Hrithik.
And I had gone to meet Jhamuji for a film about Hrithik. He gave me his portfolio. I sounded off the idea of Johnny Gaddar to him. He loved it. Though he wanted to be a conventional leading man Neil grabbed the chance to play this coldblooded killer. I just hope his next 4-5 films would be right.
I'd rather have him grow as an actor first. He's young. He needs to work with directors who'd educate him on life and cinema. By the way Neil is excellent in conventional stuff.
Both Saif and Neil in your two films are antagonists.
It was just a coincidence. I'm very attracted to Dostovsky's theory of Crime & Punishment. Or Patricia Highsmith's Tom Ripley series where he 's amiable and cruel. Actual people are like that.
Actual people don't plot and kill.
I guess these two are extreme cases (laughs).
He does it for love in Johnny Gaddaar?
We don't really know whether Neil's character loves the girl. We toyed with the idea of making the romance more prominent. I know she loves him. But does he really love her? I don't know.
If you don't know how do we know?
Nobody knows.
Can you do a conventional formula film?
Formula film, no. I'm rather disappointed that the ticket sales for Johnny Gaddaar haven't really picked up. I'm hoping they would eventually. I'd love to have the audience that goes for Partner and Heyy Babyy.
But I'd like to have the audience on my own terms. I can't do a spoon-feeding kind of cinema. Johnny Gaddaar requires the audience to be attentive. It adheres to the old Hollywood if-you-blink-you-miss-a-link guideline.
You've copied a murder plan from an old Amitabh Bachchan starrer Parwana?
Yes. Neil Mathur's audacious criminal plan comes in his head while watching Parwana. I needed to reveal the source of the murder plot from the outset.
One actor who's keen to wotk with you is Irrfan Khan.
I know. In Johnny Gaddaar I approached Irrfan to play Zakir Husain's role. But Irrfan was busy elsewhere.